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SandypersonJun 26, 2024 10:47 AM
| You just answered your own question. |
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| Can we also avoid smug replies? I beg you people, do not comment if it's not actually going to be constructive and answer my question. How exactly did I answer my own question? I made MANY statements. |
| There is no proper way to watch this. You can’t just ask what way to watch a movie that isn’t canon. It doesn’t make sense. So just watch it whenever you feel like it. I watched both films after I watched the anime so in the end it up to you when you want to watch it |
Seiidou said: Isn't this the kind of reply I specificially asked NOT to see? Why bother commenting?There is no proper way to watch this. You can’t just ask what way to watch a movie that isn’t canon. It doesn’t make sense. So just watch it whenever you feel like it. I watched both films after I watched the anime so in the end it up to you when you want to watch it |
| Well, I'm not interested in hearing from people with that point of view, because not being written by the manga author doesn't make them different timelines. I like to fit things into canon, and I don't care if other people say they don't. People say the same about Sacred Star of Milos, yet clearly, I've found a fit for it, and I don't consider it a different timeline to FMAB. I bet I'll end up with the same view on the HXH movies. The only thing crippling me is that I simply haven't seen HXH. I want to do it RIGHT this time and NOT have to discover the fitting order post-show, but instead enjoy them chronologically on my first watch. I don't care if it's an abrupt change. I apologize if I sound a little heated, but I really am tired of replies like these, because, again, I asked the same things from FMAB fans before starting, and they said those exact things. "It sucks" "It's a different timeline". I didn't want to see it last, but since no one gave me a clear answer, I didn't have much of a choice. If I could rewatch it for the first time, I would place it after episode 20. So, again, I wanna do it RIGHT with HXH this time. |
| Yeah, I just edited in a part about apolgizing for getting heated, right before your reply. Yeah, I hear ya. "Around the first 2". But would you say specifically after 77 works, or do you consider maybe after 76 to be a better fit? One user here said after 76, but another 77. That makes 3 people who's told me after 77, so it seems to be the best "definitive" answer I've gotten. I just came here to get more opinions to see if it really is the best. |
SandypersonMar 12, 2023 9:41 AM
| Literally everything I asked not to receive nicely tied into one comment. Thanks. And the comment above this apparently missed when I very much specified between 75 and 76 is literally impossibe. Are you guys just reading the title and not the post or something? |
| Well now I'm convinced no one is actually reading the post. |
| I watched both films after I watched the series, I think the first film can be watched after 'York New City Arc' as for the second film it a little more tricky as they mention Kite in the movie so they've met him however at the same time they also have yet to get knee deep in the Chimera Ant Arc. I guess therefore it must come canonically before Kite, Gon and Killua go out and enter the NGL. And before what happens in the NGL happens. Hope that helps. |
Sometimes it takes a real man to be best girl. Gilgamesh is also chad.   |
| I think between 77 and 78 is the best option, it's not a perfect fit but it works. Any time before it can't be, because they mention a character that hasn't appeared yet. And afterwards it quickly starts to ramp up the events, so it wouldn't make sense for the characters to stop what they were doing, and going to do something else. |
Rest in Piece, Miura. |
Sandyperson said: Well now I'm convinced no one is actually reading the post. Idk why, but most of the text is literally unreadable on the mobile app, so you're probably correct about that. I just checked, 76 ends in the middle of a conversation. After 77 seems to be the best place to fit the movie in. Also, you should watch episode 1 of the 1999 version before starting 2011. It's the actual canon beginning of the story and for some reason was skipped in 2011. |
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| After 77 seems to be the most conclusive answer. Honestly, thank you so much for the people who did help with it. I really appreciate that. I don't think I want to mix the two versions unfortunately, given they are separate continuities. If anything, I'll just watch all of 1999 before 2011. |
Black60Dragon said: My post wasn't smug, it was as elaborate as possible to specify what kind of replies I don't want to see and WHY I don't want to see them. And yet, people post exactly those kind of replies. Imagine going to a family dinner, and asking for advice about problems at work but you specify that you do not want to be told to "just quit", and after explaining this, everyone says "just quit". You would be pretty annoyed. And you'd be rightful in saying "Uh, guys, I literally asked for ANY advice but this. That isn't helpful. If you were gonna say that, you should have said nothing".Word of advice dude, if you don't want smug replies maybe don't make a smug post? You keep going on and on about other people being smug, but just go look at half of your replies you're just as bad as they are. You could have just asked politely but you instead decided to provoke people so that's what you have to deal with. Just some friendly advice, though I fully expect you to rage at me over this. But no, I guess that makes me "smug" and "raging"? I'm definitely not raging. I am satisfied with the conclusion I've come to by now. |
| I can't really help with knowing where the last movie fits in, since I decided to watch both movies after I finished the anime. |
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Sandyperson said: Are you guys just reading the title and not the post or something? Yeah , it's pretty much always like that in forums , especially on MAL. You can see threads with a title , a poll and a first post talking about completely different things/questions , but only the title will be replied to/answered. On topic , trying to place a non-canon Movie in the canon timeline truly can be an hassle , and it generally isn't worth the bother. (+ It's truly impossible for some of them.) |
 "Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| I'm not sure why someone wouldn't read the actual post, but I guess what you said makes sense. I've already found my clear answer now (after 77), but we'll see when I get there if I can agree that it's non-canon or not. As long as there are no contradictions, why wouldn't it be? I'm sure the movies are canon, but I will see for myself soon enough. |
Sandyperson said: if you gonna get snippy your gonna get it back. This is the anime community after all take a joke 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ like I said watch it whenever you want it doesn’t matter in the time line. Also I commented because I canSeiidou said: Isn't this the kind of reply I specificially asked NOT to see? Why bother commenting?There is no proper way to watch this. You can’t just ask what way to watch a movie that isn’t canon. It doesn’t make sense. So just watch it whenever you feel like it. I watched both films after I watched the anime so in the end it up to you when you want to watch it |
| No, I'm giving the behavior people are giving me back to them. What kind of gaslighting are you trying to attempt here? I still didn't "rage" at you, I pointed out that you're wrong. I don't want to sound aggressive or self righteous, but, people like you are genuinely why I can't stand having even the slightest of friendliest debate online. Because you unironically think I'm "raging", and that you really dissected my insecurities by accusing me of being incapable to accept ever being wrong. Not everyone who disagrees with you on the internet is some raging maniac who can't handle other opinions. In my experience, no one ever is. Yet these are the most common insults to toss around to secure yourself the victory. Sorry, doesn't work on me. You didn't acknowledge my point at all. I asked a question, said "but don't answer with X" and everone answers "X". There were a few select people who actually tried to help, though. And those are the only people who really needed to comment, not the other 90% who said exactly what I told them not to. So I exlaimed tiredness and noted how pointless the comments are. I certainly don't see where the "rage" is here. |
I agree with this :) best time to watch it |
Dr_Mercio said: I personally love The Last Mission and I agree with you on the fact that just because something isn't from the author doesn't mean it's in a separate timeline. Whatever convoluted mind began spreading that is beyond me. Boy wouldn't that be shit, having a multiverse for every franchise. I started watching anime only about 2 years ago and I instantly realized how common of a view that is. Which is really odd to me who came from being a massive cartoon fan, where people pretty much agree all content of a franchise is canon unless specifically stated otherwise. Like, a what-if episode and such is non-canon by default. But in fairness, most of those aren't written primarily by one person. Still, the films may not be canon to the manga, but the 2011 adaptation is it's own media, and as long as they don't contradict anything in the series, I don't see why they can't be canon. I'm also extremely curious how bad they can be, since most people hate them. Also, I did notice one user dropping a massive spoiler here... Which I kind of vaguely read until I realized it was a spoiler... That was yesterday so, I've forgotten it, but to be safe I'll just not read any more responses in this thread. Thanks to all who helped. |
| Ok, so i'll be keeping this thread in my "watched topics" 'cause now I'm legitimately curious to see if OP can somehow manage to fit Last Mission within HxH's timeline in the show when he gets there, because I certainly couldn't. Now, I can definitely relate to OP's completionist compulsion to "watch everything", and I can enjoy optional anime movies just fine regardless of their canonicity (just as long as they're fun and entertaining)... but I don't see why the need for some people to try to shoehorn said movies into a story's official timeline. Can't they just be enjoyed on their own, as a little bonus "what if?" scenario? Not throwing any shade at you here, OP, but I honestly believe that you should have dialed back your attitude in this thread. You haven't even started watching the show yet, and you're already choosing a very silly hill to die on. I can almost guarantee that once you progress through HxH enough and see how tight its sequence of events are, and how seamlessly it transitions from one arc to the next... you'll understand why everyone is saying what they're saying about these movies (yes, even Phantom Rouge's placing in the official timeline by fans is very questionable). But anyway, I'll be keeping an open mind (and an eye on this topic), and see if I can get OP's thoughts when the time comes and he becomes more informed on the matter. Btw, I think you should know that if you watch Last Mission at any point before Eps. 110-120-ish, it will spoil a central character's big Nen reveal in the series... so right from the get-go, I'm finding your "ideal" placement of LM right after Ep. 77 to be very questionable as well. My personal recommendation? Watch Last Mission after finishing the Chimera Ant arc, and before the Election arc (the last adapted arc in the series). It's the best compromise, imho. Yes, it will not mesh with the sequence of events in the series at all (assuming that would even be a possibility) and the movie will seem like a massive downgrade coming down from the former arc, but at least that way you won't get spoiled on anything and you won't leave HxH with a bad taste in your mouth by watching it after finishing the whole series (which has a great open ending, all things considered). |
OrororurandoMar 22, 2023 10:38 AM
CanMadeOfTin said: Properly Last Mission is not canon, however if it were canon. It’d be happening in between the Greed Island Arc (Biscuit makes an appearance) and the Chimera Arc ( ). Minimally Last Mission would be happening before the big battle at the palace in the Chimera Arc. Hey dude, I recommend that you edit your post the way I just did in the quote. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to report it for dropping a major spoiler in a thread started by someone who hasn't watched the show yet. |
Stygian_Prisoner said: Ok, so i'll be keeping this thread in my "watched topics" 'cause now I'm legitimately curious to see if OP can somehow manage to fit Last Mission within HxH's timeline in the show when he gets there, because I certainly couldn't. I wasn't planning on coming back to this thread with my thoughts. But if you want to hear them, I suppose I could. That's like 12 or 13 weeks away, though. Was it wrong of me to have an attitude when I haven't seen the show? Sure, I suppose. But on the other hand, I still don't think my frustration was misplaced, considering people kept telling me exactly what I said I didn't wanna hear. I probably wouldn't get so annoyed by it if they were like "I understand what you mean, but it just doesn't fit anywhere because so and so". Instead, they reply like they straight up ignored my post altogether. |
Stygian_Prisoner said: But anyway, I'll be keeping an open mind (and an eye on this topic), and see if I can get OP's thoughts when the time comes and he becomes more informed on the matter. Well, I'm back. My thoughts? There was literally no problem with seeing it after episode 77. In fact, that's where it perfectly fits. Episode 78 doesn't exactly start 1 second after 77, so there's no reason to believe a day or even a few couldn't have passed in between them while Kite's group was researching the location of the Chimera Ant Queen. And in that time, why would it be completely impossible for Gon and Killua to go see the Battle Olympia? The movie only takes place during a single day, and the film itself even tries to make the timeline clear by directly having Gon say they just came from exploring with Kite, and will return to him to continue after watching the Battle Olympia. So there are really no issues here. I'm curious why you found it impossible to fit? It's funny that Phantom Rouge was actually the one that was very tight to fit in, because people repeatedly said the opposite, as if The Last Mission was the tough one. But no, it doesn't leave many holes chronologically at all. So did I choose a silly hill to die on when I hadn't seen the show like you said? Maybe. But now I have, and I still stand on that hill. As usual, fans were just bullshitting when they said "it's impossible it's impossible!", just like I've been told for other shows with filler movies. So it turns out my distrust was accurate. I am aware it apparently "spoils" Netero's ability by now, but, seriously? THAT was the big spoiler? Oh no, now I know I'll witness that same ability later. Experience ruined apparently? Anyway, I've only seen 81 episodes (and the movies, duh) as of now, so no spoilers beyond that please. |
| @Sandyperson Oh hey, thanks for not forgetting about my request for an update; i appreciate that. Anyway, i just skimmed through Ep. 77 and the beginning of Ep. 78 and the LM movie 'cause it's been a while for me, and... yeah, i guess i can see how one would be able to headcanon some pieces together to make it fit after all. It is true that whatever time gap there is in between those Eps., it's not clearly defined (eg. how long it took them to get from their investigation site to Yorknew, gather data on NGL, etc.). But i have to say, i still find it hard to believe that stubborn-ass Gon would just nonchalantly be like "ai'ght, see ya later" to Kite and go off to some other country/continent to watch a Tournament after all he went through just to find any lead that might bring him closer to finding his Dad; and Kite is by far the closest link he's had up to that point, so i would expect Gon to want to stick close to him at all times, as he does throughout the period of time in the arc where Kite is present. I dunno, man. Just in general, the idea of interrumpting the Chimera Ant arc for such an inconsequential side-story is so weird to me, given how quickly the former ramps up in urgency and how Kite himself addresses the danger they could all be facing if the problem is not dealt with as soon as possible. Also, it should be noted that LM conveniently leaves out mentioning the Chimera Ants by pretending that Gon & Killua were just chilling and observing animals in the jungle with Kite, 'cause the writers must have known that addressing the actual situation going on in the background at the moment would make things weird. About Netero's Nen ability: yeah, i didn't mean to make it sound like it's an earth-shattering plot reveal or something, 'cause it's really not. I just feel that the series did such a great job in slowly building up to it and portraying it in such an impactful and dramatic manner, that seeing it for the first time in LM (where it's used so flaccidly) would kinda ruin the moment later on, y'know? Though i can understand why one might feel like the movie doesn't ruin it if they haven't reached that point in the series yet, since they won't have that frame of reference in the first place. Ultimately, though i don't personally agree with such a placement (or any placement, really) of LM in the timeline, i will concede that it is pretty much the only point in the story where it's possible to make it fit, with enough flexibility in mind. And i suppose if you had to watch it during the CA arc, then doing so early on, before shit really hits the fan, would be a good compromise. Anyways, i'm glad you feel that this watch order worked for you, and that you didn't come out of it with any regrets or whatever (aside from maybe having experienced the LM movie itself, lol). Assuming that you haven't finished it by now, I hope you'll enjoy the rest of the CA arc, and the series in general :) |
OrororurandoJul 19, 2023 3:43 PM
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